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luke frisbee
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"a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
 
20,000gph for 1.5 Amps at 115volts.

to make a long story bearably short.

Everyone knows I'm poor and in a richman's hobby. I figured I could Dig better tham a richman. And I got friends that can lift cement blocks and mud them in place.
So I dug for three years (why hurry?) and then poured the bottom (with eight four inch bottom drains)...and then it hit me.
I couldn't afford the electricity to move the 40,000 gallons every hr or so.
I did some serious net surfing and found axial pumps, but they were all to big and made for sewage or locks.....but the numbers looked great concerning watts/gallons moved.

Axial pumps are not centrifugal pumps. They are propeller pumps. I found some small ones being produced for pond aeration. I've inquired of several makers as to how I would have to modify them so I could use them for moving the water through my filtration bays. Some said that it would not be easy....but I found Mike at Power House Aerators. He was one of the guys that gets to play with them. After we talked about aerators for awhile and how I could change my filtration bays, I asked him if I could take the float off the propeller pump and just point it through the wall separating the pond and filter bay without it ruining the pump by it being placed on its side.
Mike said I should just get an "ice eater". Which is the same motor housed in cylinder that pushes water from the warmer bottom to the surface of a lake, usually so a boat slip will stay ice free.
These ice eaters are now being used by oystermen to keep water flowing over their oyster farms.

I'm amazed these pumps aren't part of the main kit used to keep koi.

I bought one today to play with before I figure how I am going to re-configure the chamber it must go in.

They make one that pushes 60,000gph for 4.7 Amps at 115volts...... I figure koi hobbyists would make them a part of the pond. Turn them on for a couple of hrs a day.....increase the oxygen, blow any crap on the bottom into the filter, and force those lazy-ass koi to become Stronger(looking).

Imagine one very big soft flowing toilet!
But for me....an affordable way to move a huge amount of water! Yippee.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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  RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... Bernteam 02-Dec-04 1
     RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... iain65team 03-Dec-04 2
         RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... markgardneradmin 03-Dec-04 3
             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... markgardneradmin 03-Dec-04 4
                 RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 03-Dec-04 5
                     RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 03-Dec-04 6
                         RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... iain65team 04-Dec-04 7
                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 04-Dec-04 8
                                 RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... ivar 05-Dec-04 9
                                     RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... vippyminiteam 05-Dec-04 10
                                         RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 06-Dec-04 11
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... vippyminiteam 06-Dec-04 12
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 07-Dec-04 13
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 10-Dec-04 14
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... iain65team 10-Dec-04 15
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 11-Dec-04 16
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 21-Dec-04 17
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 22-Dec-04 18
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... iain65team 22-Dec-04 19
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... vippyminiteam 22-Dec-04 20
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 22-Dec-04 21
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... vippyminiteam 22-Dec-04 22
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 22-Dec-04 23
                                             RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps....... luke frisbee 23-Dec-04 24

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Bernteam
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1. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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Hi Luke,

Do you have any pictures of this pump and the 'ice eater'.

rgds BERN

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2. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   is there a web site with technical info??

iain


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3. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   http://store.wmjmarine.com/wp1000.html


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4. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ice+eater+power+house


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luke frisbee
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5. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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LAST EDITED ON 03-Dec-04 AT 07:47 PM (GMT)
 
http://www.thepowerhouseinc.com/ice_eater.html

Is the makers website.....ZGo read the threads I started (2) on koivet for the long story about how I had to find them.

The little one (not the one Mark gave an addy to) is the one I am talking about...but if you need more than 20,000gph, the 3/4 hp pulls less amps and provides more water movement than the 1/2hp......and I can't see ANYONE needing the 1 hp?

On Koivet.com you'll see where I found the best prices and who to ask to talk to...no one else at those places is familiar with the use of them for koi and I liked all the people I mentioned. So for $370 bucks you to can pump massive water through bigazz filters...as long as you design for it.

Now that you "blokes" have seen it, do you believe it? Does it get the imagination going?

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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6. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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If this works like I think it will, I'll rest on my laurels for the rest of my Koi life..... I don't think I'll bring any peice of kit this needed to the table again.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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7. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   sounds like a good bit of kit might need to look at what its made of though personally I would want anything that may leach heavy metals eg from the bronze into the water especially as it will be in situ long term. The only other reservation that springs to mind at this stage is you don't get something for nothing I bet there's almost no head generated and any resistance in pipework or hieght will cause the flow rate to plummet. If you get one can you let us know how you get on ?

iain


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8. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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iain,
of course ther is next to no head for this water mover. But placing it in the wall between the filter bay and the pond wall. And remeber to have a bunch of 4 inch bottom drains.
No you cant put it in your answer and have a go it will have to be put into a pond/filter/plumbing system that is properly designed to facilitate this pump throwing that much water for that little electicity.
And the bronze concern. Please! Did i tell you these pumps are being used by the oysterman to blow water across oysters..THAT ARE DESTINED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
I imagine the heavy metal component of the pump is quite small in relation to the water volume.
but then again, I want this to be the right thing for me and the hobby. I am aware I might be wrong.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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9. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   the same kind off a pump from a german company.

http://www.linn-geraetebau.de/download/PDF_08.pdf

ivar

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10. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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try these they are british

http://www.pisces-aqua.co.uk/pumps.htm


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11. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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Vip, Ivar,
THose aren't really much like the Ice Eater. They are very similar to "Shure-flo" pumps.

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12. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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so with these pumps being fitted inside the tube (much like a jet ski impeller) then one with a size to fit a 4" tube would look very handy...

who manufactures these pumps? i have only found huge ones or ones that sit in water..


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13. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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vip,
NOPE not a 4 inch pipe for the one I am looking at...but they do make 'em...we just have to find them.....in the US I've found fresh-flo corporation for propeller/axial pumps...but Powerhouse ice eaters seem to have what I want to play with.....10 0r 12 inch pipe though.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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14. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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LAST EDITED ON 10-Dec-04 AT 03:24 AM (GMT)
 
Got the ice eater. Dropped it in the pond...it blows......it blows good. I am impressed. I couldn't afford the electricity to turnover my 40,000 gallon pond....funny I knew I could design and build a big ol koi pond......i guess I forgot the design part where you have to figure out maintenance costs..but I ahve found the answer (crap we'll have to name it something else)to moving water for only a few cents.
if you want to see a pic of it moving water then go to newt's website.
When i pulled it out of the box i thought it wouldn't work. it has a little Koi bowl blue propeller...but 2 seconds after i turned it on i was feeling better.
It is time that the Koi world used less energy to do more. Filtration systems are limited, often by the pump and its consumption of electricity. This pump looks like it is pushing 20,000gph , and for just 1.5 Amps.
Yes I know, newbies like myself are often traveling down the wrong road and don't know what they are doing. But this might be the exception.

the ropes are 14+inches apart and the board is an old 4x6 (old as in bigger than a new 4x6.
This road is lookin good right now.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.

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15. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   looks good can we have some pictures of it out of the water with a ruler laid across it?

iain


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16. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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Ian,
I put another pic (of it out of the water0 at newt's... The blocks are 8 inches widw and the bell to the unit is about 15 inches actoss.

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17. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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so If i can get a pic to post here... this is the "ice eater taken off of the white bell that was designed to entrain water to make a big plume at the surface.
I cut the supports down and screwed the motor and propeller into a 2 foot section of 10inch diameter PVC

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.

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18. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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Oh and this motor is only 1.3 amps at 115.

here is the business end. The water is coming out of this ten inch diameter pipe with some speed.
I may get a "50 gallon trash bag" and pop it in front of the outlet so i can get a rough idea of how much water is really flowing through the pipe. it'd be real "rough", but it'd be better than my totally uneducated guess.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.

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19. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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   thank you for the pictures, something to think about. I hate to think how much it would cost to do your plumbing in 10 inch pipe 6 is bad enough.

iain


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20. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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i posted earlier in this thread the site;

http://www.pisces-aqua.co.uk/pumps.htm

they have a axial pump (L2) rated at 0.15kw and pumps 10lLtr/sec or 8000 gal/hr at 0.5 mtr head.

thats the same power rate as an aquamax 10,000 and the volume of nearly four of them..


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21. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Dec-04 AT 05:38 PM (GMT)
 
iain,
All the plumbing can be whatever diameter you'd like....I have eight 4inch bottom drains going into the vortex and a six inch pipe between the vortex and the filter bay.
I stuck this prop and motor assembly in 10inch pipe because i thought it might create the maximum ammount of flow through the filter.
I'm going to try smaller diameter pipe as well, and maybe a bell.

Vippy,
Please tell me how I can get one of those units here in Florida....I've contacted the company in an attempt to buy the wet end and attach a motor that can run on normal U. S. current.
But if you know of anyplace in the U.S. let me know...PLEASE.

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22. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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axial pumps in florida. try these:-

morrison pumps
2514 Hollywood Boulevard
Hollywood
FL
www.morrisonpump.com (web site not too hot, only front page works)

http://www.mwicorp.com/pump.html

only ones i could find at the moment.. i'm sure pisces-aqua would ship you the parts you want if you grovel. is this pump anything like your ice breaker.
http://www.carrymfg.com/axial.htm

they are on your side of the pond too


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23. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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LAST EDITED ON 23-Dec-04 AT 00:37 AM (GMT)
 
Vippy,
You've found a better site in one day than i've been able to find in months. Thank you very much...and I hate you. I used Dogpile and the AOl search engine and never found that site ( the last one is the good one. the first two I had seen. They deal in huge machines. But the last guy ...I'm gonna talk to him if I don't like the finished product of the ice eater and my tinkering.
here's the ice eater sight. (ice Eater cost $370 (freight included)http://www.thepowerhouseinc.com/aquaculture.asp
And the smallest pump that you found was $1100, which I'm willing to pay if it does what i think it might.....i can't find how many amps it uses to produce those flows.
thanks a whole bunch Vip.

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24. "RE: a pump that pumps 20,000gph for 1.5 amps......."
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But I did do some math today and even with scrunching the top of a "45 gallon trash bag". the bag has a perimeter of 74 inches, and the length of the bag is 43 inches.
I considered that "scrunching" both ends would mean the bag was about equal to 30 inch tall cylinder with a perimeter of 74 inches. And the total was about 7.1 cubic feet. or about 50 gallons.
AND the bag filled in right around 7.21 seconds.
So the answer is I am definitely moving over 20,000gph for 1.3 Amps.
now how much more and how it will be affected by any head I don't know.

"Experience" is what you have left when the koi die.


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